(And with her permission I have decided to turn it into a blog post.)
"Ok, I have a LOT to say on the subject. Jackie, I totally agree with you... REMOVE the child. I am sorry but when I was young, we (me nor my 2 other siblings) would NEVER think of acting up in the store, know why? Cause we were actually DISCIPLINED! I got my share of smacks on the butt for misbehaving. That is what's wrong, parents are too stinkin afraid of DISCIPLINING their kids because they are so afraid of hurting feelings... this is something I could go on and on and on about but I think you get the picture"
"Ok. Being a mom I have to say I totally agree with my cuz Jackie here. My child knows better and if he ever acted inappropriatly we would be in the car with a quickness. Granted it all depends on age NB-3yrs, take the kid home cause he prob needs a nap. Anything older than that you need to let the child know who's in charge. To many parents are letting their kids take the lead and honestly its pretty sad."
Some who agreed with her and were rather snarky:
"Unfortunately, until the Entitled Parent Euthanization Program goes into effect, there's nothing we can do but listen to the screaming and the whining."
* This guy did leave some rather inappropriate comments, like the one above. Not sure why he got so ugly with this debate.*
Some who did NOT agree with her:
"Hey! Sorry about that! I'm so embarrassed i didn't realize that the store was your own personal space! I'll have to make sure that I abstain from buying food or whatever else we need until I figure out how to train an infant/toddler to exercise a little more self-control. Again, so sorry that my trying to squeeze a grocery trip in between work and naps and feedings (etc.) was such an inconvenience for you! ;)"
"Sorry but please do not judge when you have no idea what this person's day has already entailed walking around aimlsy the ex: mom just came from childs doctors appointment little johnny has cancer - little johnny has screaming fits because ...of the pain in his stomach that finally has a diagnosis. Omg mom is in shock what will she tell little johnny's sister who adores him. How will she explain to johnny all the doctors and needles he will need to endure over he next 5 to 10 years of his life. This is what the mom could be thinking as she is trying to also find a quick dinner. Life is short- children cry and so do we. Deal!"
And then the battle between parents and non-parents began:
"As for non-parents... I think those of us who ask you to reserve your judgment until you ARE parents do so because we remember that we were once in YOUR shoes, feeling very justified in similar judgment, and we know how much our perspective... has changed. In this kind of situation, there really is no substitute for practical experience. It's really to say "they should" do this or that. It's a lot more difficult when you're the one having to figure out just HOW exactly to do those things."
"re: non-parents commenting on parenting: I remember how I was raised, what was acceptable, what was not. Sure, it's probably not an accepted parenting style in the current child-worship school of thought, but that's OK with me. I don't want kids because I don't have the patience to raise them in a way I would be proud to call them my own. Having kids is not an accomplishment, it's raising good ones that's the tricky part. Yes, every kid will have a meltdown. But not so often that you have to impose that meltdown on everyone else just to get on with life.""Don't try to reason with them. If they already demonstrated their irresponsibility by *having children in the first place* you can't expect them to have a rational conversation about these things. Some parents think that having functional genitals gives them magical insight, and this frees them of all criticism. In reality, their magical genitals are the problem. Anyone who has a child or has ever been a child is the problem. If you don't want people complaining about unruly children, stop making babies!"
*Last comment written by snarky guy*
So, there it is. In all of its ugliness. Poor Jackie got more than she bargained for when she posted her status yesterday. And there were many more comments than the ones I showed above.
I find this to be a rather interesting topic. How those without children view those with children. Is it okay to tell others how to parent when you in fact have no real experience? (Babysitting the neighbors kids when you were 13 doesn't count here. Sorry!) Is it okay to let your child scream so that you can grab a few groceries? Is said child screaming because something is seriously wrong? Is the Mother just so burnt out she's just letting him get it out of his system? Sometimes you never know the circumstances.
You may remember a previous post I wrote on this topic. About Aidan screaming in restaurants and the evil eye I received from the lady behind me. He wasn't upset, just learning how to use his vocal chords. Should I have punished him for doing something that is completely normal and beneficial to his devlopment?
Do we "worship" our children as snarky guy suggested? Should today's parenting styles be changed? Has discipline gone out the window? Should we reestablish the "old school" way of discipline? Ask our kids to go pick a switch off the tree in the backyard so that we can then smack them with it? That's how my Dad grew up. Is that really the answer?
Or do these non-parents really just not have a clue as to what its like to raise children? Are they simply annoyed that others have children? Do they not like children and have to immediately point out faults that other parents have? Do they expect all children to be angels?
How do you deal with this situation when it's your child? Or when you don't have children and you encounter this scenario at the store?
Can't we all just be friends?
What do you think?
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